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Offseason Targets – Part Two

Last week we put together a list of potential offseason targets. As soon as I posted it, we thought of some more. Again, this is a purely speculative list:

Tayshaun Prince

Channing Frye

Boris Diaw

Raja Bell

Birdman

Amir Johnson

Marco Bellinelli

Hakeem Warrick

Etan Thomas

Jarrett Jack

I think Amare is off the table until he is able to get on the court and stops leaking eye juice.

The New Amare Scuttlebutt, Same As The Old Amare Scuttlebutt

Amare Stoudamire is on a magical mystery tour of publicity, going from city to city expressing his love and/or fond admiration for each town (ok well, just NY and DC, so far). We’ve previously taken a stance against Amare on this blog. We’re against Amare chiefly because he’s a huge primadonna who might bristle at the bright lights of the big city. Here’s our collection of Amare skepticism.

Knicks Should Avoid Amare: Reason 7,235

The Arizona Republic, quoting Amare, on the trade talks:

It’s more of a low blow. I’ve worked hard for the organization. I’ve been great in the community. I did everything that was asked of me. I never got in trouble. You never heard me in no DUIs or no trouble at all since I’ve been in the league. Everything I did is 100 percent professional and charismatic. I made sure my character stayed as such. So for me to hear these trade rumors and that they want to trade me for pretty much nothing, I don’t get it.

Way to be law abiding Amare. I know it must have been hard for you. You want credit fa’ doin’ somethin’ ya’ supposed ta do??!! Stay “charismatic”, San Diego.

The Knicks Should Avoid Amare: Reason 3,492

Amare is not on the elite tier. We should all remember that. Sure, he has the talent, but the elite players also have the drive (Kobe, LeBron, Wade, Bosh). Keep that in mind as you read this excerpt from Chad Ford’s latest chat:


Ray (New York): What is Steve Kerr smokin? If I were a Suns fan I would be fuming at the fact my team is even considering trading our youngest, most talented player. If Amare does get traded, do you think its a financial move or a move to get better?

SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:13 PM ET ) Mostly financial. Lots of teams, the Suns included, are hurting right now. The bad economy even effects billionaires. Primarily, the team needs to get under the luxury tax threshold by this summer. That means sluffing somewhere in the neighborhood of $7 to $9 million off the payroll. Ideally they’d cut even more. But it’s also about the team. They are underachieving. They lack any intensity and Stoudemire has been the poster child for that. So both factors are in play. But if the Suns were making lots of money, I think they’d be looking for a different mix in return for Amare.


Bob (Phoenix, AZ): Ray – Suns fan here. Its called addition by subtraction. Amare is a Drama Queen, has not improved, has fallen in love with his J this year, doesn’t play defense or rebound. I can’t wait until he is gone.

SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:14 PM ET ) I think that sort of sums up what I’ve heard from a lot of Suns fans.

So, there you go. I don’t know about other Knicks fans, but I’ve had enough drama to last me the rest of my life as a Knicks fan. I’ve also had my fill of underachievers lacking intensity during the Isiah years, thank you very much. No way, no how, no Amare. At least not as a building block.

Rather, the only reason to trade for Amare is to flip him, since, as Ford acknowledges, if the Suns were not looking for expiring deals, they could get a ton of talent for the guy:

But if the Suns were making lots of money, I think they’d be looking for a different mix in return for Amare.

Amare Stoudemire to Knicks? No Thanks.

Note: I originally posted this as a comment on theknicksblog.com, but think its deserving of its own post. I augmented it a touch, to make it look more like a post than a comment.

The trade winds have been swirling around the league, stirred up by an Amare-on-the-block storm. ESPN speculation has the Knicks offering Lee, Nate and Steph for Amare. I’d like to tell you why I think trading for Amare is unrealistic, or a bad idea.

Why an Amare trade is unrealistic:

1. Amare isn’t keen on D’Antoni. He might say the opposite now, because he is finding ways to bash the current regime, but last year, he made his feelings known loud and clear.

2. Its also been documented that D’Antoni isn’t bullish on Stoudemire.

3. Sarver is not going to do the Knicks any favors. You better believe there is still bad blood between D’Antoni and Sarver.

Reason why its a bad idea:

4. Amare is a HUGE whiner. Last year it was, “Oh, we don’t play enough D.” This year it’s “Oh, our offense is stagnant”, and “I don’t get the ball enough”, and “Other teams don’t fear me anymore”, and “I want to be the face of the franchise.” (Note: These aren’t his actual quotes.) Put this guy in New York and you think he can handle it? He’s Stephon Marbury part 2. I guarantee you he’ll be playing the victim card every chance he gets, continue being a locker-room disruption, and look to get as many coaches fired as he can.

On AmareMania

Since the Suns dropped the bombshell that they might be open to dealing Amare Stoudemire before the trade deadline next week, there’s been rampant speculation concerning what kind of deal teams would have to put together to satisfy Steve Kerr and get their hands on one of three most devastating combinations of speed and power currently playing in the NBA (Lebron and Dwight Howard being the other two).

Friday, ESPN put up a column by Chad Ford discussing what Kerr might be looking for and which teams might have the assets to get a deal done.  According to Ford, in any trade for Stoudemire, the Suns will be looking for luxury tax relief going forward (For one of the 10 best talents in the NBA?!? Sheesh!), a young player or two that *could* potentially blossom into a star, and perhaps draft considerations. Yup, that’s all. (Really. Just. Incredible.) Thumbing through Ford’s theoretical offers, it becomes clear that there’s not really a winner in the bunch. Each trade is a significant downgrade from Amare and, ultimately, could even get Kerr fired. But this is the best the Suns can expect under the circumstances.

Why is the price tag so low? Well, because Amare is a big pain in the butt, that’s why. It’s something of a risk to trade for him because he’s a high-maintenance superstar that needs to be coddled and given special treatment by the team. In short, his team often needs to look the other way on his BS and say, “Ok, that’s absolutely ridiculous but he did put up 35 points and 17 rebounds last night.”

Now as I’m sure most everyone is already aware, the Knicks did make Ford’s list of teams that have the assets to satisfy the Suns in a trade. Chad’s formulation was Amare and Leandro Barbosa for Lee, Marbury and Nate. In my estimation, of the various proposals he generated, the Knicks’ offer was second best (to Miami’s which was Shawn Marion and Beasley). However, I don’t think the Suns would do the trade (even if the two teams were willing to deal with each other at all – more on that in a minute) because both Nate’s and Lee’s are expiring deals. That means that after trading for them, the Suns would have to re-sign both guys this summer to reap value from the trade and that would use up most or all of the tax savings they gained from the deal in the first place.

As Chris Alvino over at the Knicks Blog noted, if the Knicks wanted to trade for Amare, one way or another they’d have to be willing to include a more fixed asset. By that I mean Wilson Chandler, Gallinari, or their 2009 1st round pick. Because then the Suns would be getting a talented player that’s under contract instead of just a bunch of expirings with the option to re-sign. A trade like Chandler, Marbury and Nate or Lee for Amare and Barbosa would likely satisfy the Suns. But this assumes that either team would ever do any deal on Amare with the other.

The truth is, the Knicks are probably at the very bottom of the list of teams that the Suns would consider dealing with. D’Antoni and the Suns didn’t exactly part amicably and the feelings there are still pretty raw. It doesn’t help that Suns players are constantly criticizing the current state of the franchise by way of saying how much better things were when Coach D was around.

Likewise, there’s a lot of reasons the Knicks would want nothing to do with Amare. For those of you that have read Seven Seconds or Less, you know that D’Antoni was always ambivalent about Stoudemire. Coach D loved his talent and was the best at bringing it out but always felt that Amare was pulling in a different direction than the team. The book covers the season that Amare was out with his knee injury, and the coaching staff is captured constantly wondering whether Amare is bothering to do his rehab or even cares at all. (UPDATE: Tommy Dee is reporting this morning that, despite speculation to the contrary, at least from Amare’s prespective, he has no problems with Coach D.)

Moreover, from Donnie Walsh’s perspective, if he trades for Amare now, to great extent he’s defining who the Knicks are going forward. He’s using up one of the spots he has for a max free agent (no way you trade all that talent for Amare and then not re-sign him) and putting at least half his chips on the table. At that point, whether or not we get Lebron is really a function of whether he wants to team up with (and put up with) a mecurial star like Amare. After going to the trouble of getting far enough under the cap to lure the best player in basketball, a player who seemingly loves New York and could very well call it home in 2010, that’s a huge gamble to take.